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Originally posted by Max5 ↑

Yes we are...but you're really keen to keep dodging the crucial question (third time now ? LOL) over the impossible to give at the time security guarantees from the US, UK, France and China aren't you....one of Putin's conditions.
Unless and until you address that question you're wasting your time.

In his TV interview, Arakhamia, who led the Ukrainian delegation at the peace talks with Russia in Belarus and Turkey in 2022, revealed that in the spring of 2022, Russia proposed a deal under which it would end its war against Ukraine if Ukraine dropped its plans to join NATO and declared neutrality:
“They were prepared to end the war if we agreed to – as Finland once did – neutrality, and committed that we would not join NATO,” Arakhamia said in the interview.
However, he noted that Ukraine’s NATO aspirations are written in its Constitution, which would have to be amended if its NATO bid were abandoned. He also said that Ukraine did not trust Russia to stick to such an agreement:
“There is no, and there was no, trust in the Russians that they would do it. This could only be done if there were security guarantees.”
Arakhamia did say that Johnson, during his trip to Kyiv in early April 2022, told Ukraine’s leadership it should “not sign anything with them at all, and let's just fight."
However, he indicated that Johnson’s advice was just that, not an order, and that Ukraine’s negotiations with Russia were “not managed in any way” by the U.S. or other Western governments:
“We consulted, of course - we understood that we cannot win the war by ourselves, so we definitely need to consult with them on this issue. And they actually advised us not to go for any ephemeral security guarantees, which at that time were impossible to give.

https://www.polygraph.info/a/fact-c...ut-2022-russian-peace-deal-offer/7380585.html

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My post was in a direct response to what you have posted bellow. Arakhamia, in an interview with the Ukranian journalist (Interview with David Arakhamia, head of the Ukrainian delegation at the peace talks - YouTube) completely contradicts the message in your post, regarding the chronological order of events. Let's sort that one out first, before we move on onto security guarantees. In the interview he was not categoric that Ukraine would not sign an agreement. He was talking about the need for serious security agreements, change of the Constitution and distrust. The negotiations were still open at that point in time.

Max5

Accordingly, David Arakhamia did not say that Ukraine was ready to sign a document promising peace in exchange for neutrality. Arakhamia’s interview reveals that Ukraine was not going to sign the document even before receiving Boris Johnson’s advice, therefore, it is manipulative to claim that the Russia-Ukraine agreement failed because of Boris Johnson or that Ukraine made the decision because of his position.

Me

When asked why Ukraine did not agree, he replied that for this, firstly, it was necessary to change the Constitution, and secondly, there is no trust in the Russians that they will fulfill it. He also said that Boris Johnson came to Kyiv then and said that he did not want to sign anything with the Russians and "let's just fight."

It should be noted that the media has repeatedly reported that the Ukrainian authorities refused to sign the agreement in the spring of 2022 after negotiations with Johnson. And now, as we can see, Arakhamia has actually confirmed this.

https://strana.today/news/451310-vojna-mohla-zavershitsja-vesnoj-2022-hoda-david-arakhamija.html

After is the key word. Why would Boris even mention to them not to sign anything if Ukraine had already decided not to and would report that decision back to the masters way before Arakhamia's admission?