Russia Ukraine war

Originally posted by NoImSpartacus: ↑

Then let me repeat so there can be no confusion. The US/NATO/EU/UK started this war. And far from abandoning Ukraine after Russia took back Crimea The US/NATO/EU/UK doubled down in its efforts to militarize Ukraine because their nose was out of joint that Russia had outsmarted them and managed to avoid WW3 in the process.

The Cuba reference is perfectly on point. You must think the world is stupid to believe that the US would not put nuclear weapons in Ukraine "BECAUSE THE US SAID IT WOULDNT. The US also promised that NATO would not expand one each to the east and within 10 years not only expanded dramatically but also insisted that Ukraine and Georgia would be admitted despite Russia telling them what it would mean. NATO is a lying machine. When this war started they said they wouldn't said arms to Ukraine,only helmets etc.The broke that assurance. The said they wouldn't sent long range missiles that could reach Russia,they broke that assurance. They said they disapproved of cluster shells and sent cluster shells. They said they wouldnt send boots on the ground and being the deceitful bastards that they are they have sent boots on the ground. They said they wouldn't send F-16 and have since said they will. And this is just the tip of the iceberg as far as USA/NATO broken assurances. Whats worse they had established over 30 bio chemical weapon labs in Ukraine. The world isnt as stupid as you think. With a NATO army in Ukraine there will be nuclear and biochemical weapons ready to launch against Russia as soon as the CIA cooks up a pretext to tell the world they have to attack Russia for the sake of freedom and democracy.

Are you seriously trying to pretend that the Americans would not have invaded Cuba if a settlement had not been reached thanks to 2 great men (JFK and Khrushchev) whose top priority was avoiding nuclear war? Not like those bastards ruling America and NATO now. The Americans made it perfectly clear that under no circumstances would they live under the shadow of those weapons and nobody in the West at the time even gave a second thought to Cuba's "sovereign right" to put those weapons. America immediately instituted a blockade around Cuba a well-established act of war and they would have followed through if Russia and Cuba didnt back down.

You see this is why the American bullies continuing to rule the world is unsustainable. Because the USA/NATO and its supporters are unable to see the other side even though in their last war they were arguing the other side because it suited them then. Just imagine what would happen if a Russian/Chinese alliance army established itself in a hostile Mexico. Would the USA accept assurances from China and Russia that they would not equip their armies with nuclear and biological weapons in Mexico. Of course not!

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Hi Nolm, thanks for the follow up. I can assure you I am not confused, I just find it quite a stretch to link the start of the Russia Ukraine war to the West (US/Nat/EU/UK).

Can you explain what you mean by “doubling down” after the annexation of Crimea? From my view, the collective West had essentially accepted Russian annexation if Crimea with some token sanctions on Russia, but not much else.

As for the US bringing nuclear weapons back to Ukraine after removing them in the 90’s I also find quite a stretch. Removing nuclear weapons and related materials from former Soviet countries was a great move for reducing nuclear proliferation and reducing potential nuclear escalation, something I think no one is wanting to undo.

As for Cuba, after the Bay of Pigs fiasco, I doubt the US was interested in another invasion disaster with Cuba related to Cuba hosting nuclear missiles, as they did not invade Cuba after those nuclear missiles were removed. Related to my point above, the US is highly unlikely to give Ukraine nuclear weapons, Russia is invading Ukraine, this I don’t see that great of a link between the two situations.