GiddyYup for Pm.................I'd vote for that.

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05/09/23

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Originally posted by GiddyYup ↑

To be honest it wasn't my intention to educate anybody. Just participate in a conversation.

I must admit though there is a degree of deliberate ignorance with regard to some of the comments. People want to do the right thing and more importantly they want to be seen doing the right thing. Companies take advantage of this and whack a green sticker on almost everything and people lap it up.

Claims by EV car manufacturers that they produce 0 CO2 is almost blatant lying since the CO2 production is simply moved upstream to the point of production, not consumption. EV cars takes dramatically higher energy and thus CO2 to build and the bottom of the EV iceberg will only become apparent in years to come when the pollution associated with their end of life becomes a mass issue.

The entire energy debate in Australia is completely ridiculous. We want to do the right thing and stop burning coal and gas and some are happy to put the cost impost of this onto Australian consumers and businesses which then pass it onto consumers again. But at the very same time we ship endless quantities of coal and gas in ever increasing volumes to other countries who are exempt from CO2 emissions goals which despite their economies being much, much larger than ours, they are apparently "developing".

So what do we achieve?

In total more of our fossil fuels get exported and get burned in countries which often have lesser regulation than we do. The pollution goes into the very same global atmosphere and results in a worse outcome for the environment, given that massive energy consumption of shipping the fuel many thousands of KMs to where it will be burned.

Australian businesses and consumers pay more for energy whilst the businesses in the countries we ship it to pay less. Our businesses become less competitive and those that have to compete on price for global exports end up moving operations to other countries.

Its time for Australians and our governments to stop paying lip service to this green debate. If we are going to do something then make it something worth doing, not dodgy accounting and moving the deckchairs with consumers paying the price without understanding that there is no net benefit to either the environment or the country.

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GiddyYup for Pm.................I'd vote for that.
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